Kitchen is coming together and it needs a fridge! Cold beer is better than warm beer. We are using a 12/120V marine fridge, that uses a DanFoss compressor. They are very very energy efficient and don’t need to be vented like a propane fired one. With the fridge being under the counter, I didn’t want to have to to get on my knees to to see in the bottom, so we found a great solution, a drawer fridge! The whole things slides out on drawer type glides. Works great for seeing whats inside. It’s an Isotherm 130 liter unit.
It also has a second smaller drawer and the top is a freezer section. I’m really happy with the fridge. It draws about 2.5% of out battery bank each day. Not bad at all!
The plywood top and camp stove worked just fine for a couple of trips, but we had now acquired the real stove, a sink and its time to put the counter top in.
We used 18×18 black granite tiles for the top. They were reasonably priced and much lighter than the slab of stone we had originally looked at. I was Leary of using standard tile thinset to stick the tiles in place, there is just so much movement and vibration in a RV, especially one that does a fair bit of time on forest service roads.
First order of business was to remove the thin crappy ply I had on there and put down a sheet of new 1/2″. Then carefully layout the sink and stove holes. The stove was rather complicated….
So I decided to try using polyurethane caulking to glue them down. Let me tell you that was interesting to trowel on, so much so that I have no pictures at all. Its sticky nasty goop. But it stuck! They took a few days to dry to the point of not moving when pushed on.
After they had dried for a few days, I was able to test fit the stove. There is only about 1/8″ overlap on the edge of this stove so I made the hole very tight, too tight. I was able to come in with a diamond grinder and carve it away just enough to slip it in.
Once that was done we could “grout” it. Just like not wanting to use thinset I didn’t want to use grout, again I was worried about flex. So we used a black silicone caulk.
To do this nicely, you first have to tape off all the grout lines. This will allow you to squirt lots of caulk all over trying to force it into the gaps, and then it also gives you a surface to wipe it down to.
Again a messy process, but it turned out well. You need to wipe as much as possible down to the tape line so it can be cleanly peeled off without leaving a ridge at the edge of the tape. Lots of paper towels and take your time.
You have to peel the tape before the silicone sets up, don’t worry its not too fast.
All finished. It turned out really well. The joint look nearly just like grout would, just a little shinier. So far I am really happy with how my unorthodox install worked out.
The day had come! It was done enough to use, we had a bed, heat, and a toilet. The kid was at her grandparents house so we didn’t have to worry about her freezing if something went wrong, it was going to be fun.
Got home from work and quickly packed up our stuff. Threw sheets and blankets on the bed, packed the dog bed and ski stuff and headed out. It was the first long trip we had done, more than 20 miles anyway.
Truck drove great, ran up the pass like it was a little hill.
Threw it in 4×4 and drove through the fresh snow in the parking lot with no trouble.
Made a quick dinner and crashed out as it was pretty late already. Slept very well! Also got the stairs installed before we left so we didn’t need a step ladder anymore.
It was a great first trip, everything work well! Truck drove great, and we had fun even though it was just one night.
With the impeding ski weekend coming I needed to get something on the kitchen cabinets so we could use them. I had lots of the plywood left from the walls when I had originally stripped it off from when we first bought it. I took a piece and cut it to fit so we had a cooking surface.
OK kitchen good enough for the weekend!
Also whipped up some ski storage. Needed something. It actually worked well, but I will need to redo it with the black tank vent being in the way. It was just plywood with slots and some bungee cords….
So I will start this by saying this, if you can get a tank with the drain fittings on it that will work for you, DO IT, this was a not fun project, but I could not get a off the shelf one to fit.
We opted for a 17 gallon tank, it was as big as we could realistically fit, and should give us at least a week between dumps.
So with that said, the black tank will go behind the passenger tail light, like where the kerosene tank went on the drivers side, but this one is much larger. It fits tight against the mud flap, to tight against the tail lights, and needs to go in at an angle past the spring hanger. The reason I could not use one with the dump valve already on it was that I needed to set the valve into the tank, not glue it to a fitting attached to the tank.
Tank and valveThe idea was to cut a hole and glue the valve right in, if I ever need to replace it I am hoping I can undo those four bolts and just replace that piece. Otherwise it will not be fun. But its a sacrifice to fit it in the space.
The tank manufacture recommends ABS shavings and acetone to bond things to the tank. Being cheap I didn’t want to buy their shavings figuring I could make my own, hint: buy theirs. I spent a long time drilling holes in a pipe with a big paddle bit to make shavings…..
But I made a slurry up and started to bond the valve to the tank! Notice all the stuff holding things in place? Yeah it takes overnight to dry.
But it worked! It needed more coats to make me feel good about it but the next evening it was all hard and I could add more to it.
After a couple more coats and I was sure it was all sealed up, I stood the tank on end and dumped about a half a can of ABS glue inside. I decided to do this instead of making my own slurry. The tank is abs, the valve is ABS and they are bonded, I just wanted to fill any gaps from the inside and smooth the transition out.
Well it worked well, but half a can was WAY too much. It dumped everywhere, luckily the seal and door were greased so it didn’t stick to those at all and I didn’t glue the valve shut….
Moving inside the truck, I set the toilet in its location and marked around the bottom with pencil so I could locate where the flange goes on the floor.
Unfortunately, even with my plywood “spacer, its a little closer to the wall thank I would have liked, the lid doesn’t quite sit like it was in the picture, but the hole is there so its not moving!
With the toilet flange in place I could slip the tank in from the bottom and try to mark where to drill the hole for it. This needs to be perfect and there is no going back once the hole is there…. But I got it close, I was off ~1/8″ and was able to angle the toilet flange around enough to make it work. I put the tank in from the bottom and glued up the flange and pushed it in from the top. The flange alone was long enough to reach the tank in my case.
And with that the toilet is bolted back in place.
Now that the toilet and tank are in, I need to vent the tank. Vent needs to be there to let the stink out, and to let air in when dumping.
I drilled a hole in the side wall, I did not want any more holes in the roof than absolutely necessary.
Then ran a piece of 1.5″ ABS up front the tank, through the rear storage area and out the hole. I added a clean out thinking I could flush the tank from there. Does not work as well as I had hoped.
I used a marine style clamshell to protect the vent outlet. This worked well!
And with that the black tank is complete! Its a nice thing to have at 2am.
Heat is good when its 20 degrees outside. We are using a Webasto Airtop st3500, its a diesel or kerosene forced air heater, very efficient, doesn’t suck down power like RV furnaces do, and quite compact. Its 3500W or almost 12k BTU’s, I was worried this wouldn’t be enough, we were coming from a 40k btu propane furnace in the last truck, turns out its too much!
A couple quirks on these, they soot up at altitude on diesel, they are designed for boats and trucks, not really to be used in ski parking lots. But running them on kerosene makes it an almost non issue. Secondly the fuel pump is basically a metering pump, its a solenoid that pushes a little bit of fuel at set intervals. This means it clicks, loudly, its a pretty common complaint with these heaters. We mounted ours with a rubber quick fist clamp, and used rubber lines to connect to it, but you can still hear it.
The heater is installed under the dinette bench. It fits well as its quite small, and there is room under the truck body there for the intake and exhaust. They go straight out the bottom. Cutting the floor out turned out to be quite the challenge however.
The floor is 3/16 steel and a lot of bed liner, its was very hard to cut. The heater needs an oval shape for the intake, exhaust and the fuel line.
Most people with diesel vehicles will simply use their gas tank to feed the heater, I chose to run a second tank, this allows me to use kerosene for the heat. For the tank I simply used a 3 gallon plastic boat tank. Its housed behind the tail lights on the drivers side. I used rubber fuel injection line to run from the heater all the way to the back.
For the first trip the tank was just strapped to the rear bumper, it was giving me all kinds of trouble. I was not able to get the fuel pump to draw out of the tank. It turns out that the fuel line pickup inside the tank had a large enough diameter that the little fuel pump couldn’t get a prime.
So after taking it all apart I was able to heat and squeeze a piece of 3/16 fuel line onto the tank fitting. It works!
Fuel pump was mounted to the spacer between the body and frame. I used the P-Clamp mount that came with the pump originally, but it was really loud. So I found a Quick Grip clamp I had in the garage and wa la, rubber mounting. The heater manufacturer now sells one that is very similar!
With the fuel worked out, I let the heater run for a couple hours. It took a LONG time to get fuel moved the 15′ from the tank to the heater, but once the fuel got there it kicked right on and blew hot air!
So I needed to get the exhaust and intakes done. Exhaust needs to be run to the outside of the body, I don’t want it just dumping underneath although it would likely be fine. The exhaust uses a flexible stainless pipe, I ran it out just in front of the tool box on the drivers side. Its just about invisible.
The intake just needed to be able to get fresh air and not suck in water, so I made up an elbow using a copper pipe 45 degree fitting a hose clamp and some screen to keep bugs and critters out. Easy and free.
I made up a couple quick brackets to hold the tank. The attach to the bottom of the box and will hold a plywood floor for the tank.
And all installed. The bungee holds it quite securely.
I got a simple heat only thermostat. Runs the furnace well. The issue is its too big! I would likely have been just fine with the 2000W version. The heater kick on and when it hits temp it runs a cool down cycle on the burner which drives the heat up further! I guess its better than being cold. I really didn’t know what it would take, but this one must be far better insulated than our old RV.
EDIT to add that someone from Webasto contacted me, they suggest you use the proper fuel line. Its part of the fuel flow regulation I guess. So I did swap all mine out to the correct stuff afterwards.
With the Bed done now, we just need a couple more things to make it “usable”, electrical, kitchen counter, and heat (its winter….) so we had a goal of going skiing in about a week, time to thrash and get it ready.
I started with the batteries. We are doing a big bank, 500Ah, its four 250Ah 6 volt AGM batteries, two pairs in series gives us a 12 volt bank. They are heavy, like 100lbs each heavy, so I hefted them all into the truck and worked on layout. They are going in the corner under the bed.
Wired in series, then parallel to get 12v.
They are set on a sheet of high density foam, this should help keep them a little warmer in the winter, and are secured with heavy ratchet straps and stainless anchors. I also added a lit around them so they cant shift in case of a strap breaking.
All the main circuits run back to this spot. There are a lot of them…. I will be using a Blue Sea 12 circuit fuse block with a ground bus. This all gets mounted to a removable shelf above the batteries. Again the heat shrink self adhesive connectors were used. A spare wire was run over to the kitchen side, I wanted something there in case I ever needed it.
Next I mounted the battery combiner, this is a 600 amp continuous unit from Heart Interface, I bought it used and its a very simple solenoid. Once the starting batteries have reached their set voltage (adjustable) it will connect the house batteries so the alternators (yes two on this truck) can change the house batteries. Once the truck is shut off it will disconnect them again so we don’t drain the starting batteries. The inverter/charger is the white box. I may have gone a little undersized, but hopefully it will work, its 1250W at 120V and charges at 55 amps.
The the battery side of things done I needed to get the kitchen cabinet face made as most of the switches live there. I made face frame out of maple scraps I had, and then a plywood side panel finishes it off. Getting all the dimensions right took me some time. I made the face frame five times…
You can see the switch location on the right here, its just inside the door and easy to reach from inside or it can just be reach from the ground outside too.
Switch wires were tucked as tight as possible to the side, as the fridge slides into this spot. There are three switches, one for the exterior light, one for the hall and one for the work lights. There is also two USB plugs and a voltage meter on the same panel.
Electrical works enough, I simply connect it back to my car battery charger when we get home. I will need to finish running a larger 2/0 cable all the way to the engine compartment at some point…
I was waiting until the bed and dinette benches were in place to do the flooring. As weird as it might sound I wanted to save that 1/2″ of space in my storage areas, also the bed liner on the floor is a nice tough finish for the storage areas.
We had decided on a vinyl plank floor, they are very tough and impervious to water. Both good, dogs tear up floors, and tacking in snow gets them wet. Allure flooring is well regarded in the RV community, its sold at Home Depot, but they only stock a couple colors, everything else takes weeks to get.
We grabbed one, and laid it out. Nope, looks terrible. Returned this and went to Lowes.
Lowes had a few options in stock, and we liked one. A dark brown with a bit of texture, also a bit thicker than the HD stuff. I laid down a foam underlayment and started to click the floor together. We used a rather expensive underlayment, but its a foam, its more designed to quite walking noise in apartments, but its also insulating (a little) and everything helps against a steel floor. The flooring lays down easily and cuts nicely with a wood blade.
It took a couple evenings work to get all the floor in, but it looks great and it really changed the feel, its not nearly as ‘industrial’ feeling like the bed liner was.
Now that the interior walls and ceiling are done, we can start on the interior structure, the walls and bed, dinette etc. I am framing the back storage area on the passenger side out of the steel tube, this allows me to insulate it form the living area and gives enough structure to hold the bathroom wall in place.
The wall framing is in place here, it give me 12″ deep storage on the passenger side. Its made from 1″ tube so that I can put 1″ rigid insulation inside the wall space.
The bed frame is also made from steel, it will have gas struts on it so that it is able to be lifted from the inside. This is going to be a main storage area. I will put slats of 3/8″ plywood down on top of the steel frame, this will allow the mattress to breathe. It was an issue with out last RV, it had solid plywood under the bed, and it would get condensation build up.
1/2″ plywood is used for the divider between the bathroom area and the bed. It will get a curtain so no door is needed. The lower bed frame is made from 3/4″ to support the steel frame. This makes up most of the rear structure. There is 18″ under the bed, allows for good storage space, but also with a 8″ mattress it doesn’t feel too tall to sit on the edge of.
Next up is the cabinet between the bed and dinette, we decided not to go full height on it, but only 5′ tall. It was going to feel too cave like and make the space feel so much smaller full height. We still get good privacy in the bed, you really cant see the bed from each other, even sitting up.
The cabinet is three sections, two drawers down low, one for garbage and recycle one for a pantry. The upper section will be an open shelf to the dinette side. I got in a bit of a hurry and forgot to take pics as I built it. After having it installed, I should have used 3/4″ ply, it doesn’t have much lateral stability being mostly open and so tall. I think it should work fine though. Its anchored to the floor with small aluminum brackets.
The front of the cabinet also makes up the back of the dinette. So next step to getting closer to using it is the bench. Just a simple box.
Its pretty open really, the blue tape will be the cabinet line for the kitchen.
Repeat building the box for the other side and we have the basic dinette. The seat/tops are just a scrap I had, they were replaced with 3/8″ ply.
The small side will house the heater and water pump. The heater is a Webasto AirTop 3500, it runs on kerosene or diesel, and is quite energy efficient.
With that done I cut and installed all the slats for the bed. Too light to walk on without the mattress but solid with it on.
Now that its insulated we can start building the interior! Its been a lot of work to get here, but there is so much more to go.
For the interior walls we are using a 1/4″ plywood, its prefinished birch. Reasonably cheap, just cut and install, not finishing needed. Its not the lightest, but works well. To install I used more construction adhesive (i think there are 9 quart tubes behind the walls and ceiling!) and micro pin nails. I’m happily surprised the nails hold really well.
I started with the easy square one…. Good practice anyway! I will come back and cut the windows from the outside with a router, this way the inside and outside holes match perfectly.
All these were cut with my old skill saw and a jog saw. Nothing fancy. I did my best to break the panels on windows, that way there were no seams running right net to them.
With the sides done we can install the windows. Ran into some issues here. I should have used a wood strip around the windows, not just the foam, this would have kept the correct wall thickness. I ended up having to shim the interior plywood out to make the walls the required 2″ for the windows to clamp too.
But with the windows in we are starting to get somewhere!
Windows were a big step. Tons more light and feels way more open. Ceiling goes in next.
I made a quick time lapse of the weekends work. There are some previews of what’s to com in the next post as well.